tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6526334671364727372.post3504096949491808772..comments2013-03-18T19:06:13.425-07:00Comments on The Shepherd's Apprentice: Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00517233443789971713noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6526334671364727372.post-19748405134884650322013-03-18T11:44:40.947-07:002013-03-18T11:44:40.947-07:00You might want to take a closer look at that verse...You might want to take a closer look at that verse. <br /><br />"For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth." Heb. 12:6<br /><br />The words used here are important. The word for "chasten" can mean "to teach", or "to whip or beat", but the second word, "scourge", is very precise, it is "mastigoō", and it is used to describe what was done to Christ before he was crucified. It is used 6 times in the New Testament, all of these was in reference to a severe punishment with a scourge. <br /><br />This verse is a reference to another that also mentions being whipped:<br /><br />"But He was wounded for our transgressions,<br />He was bruised for our iniquities;<br />The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,<br />And by His stripes we are healed."<br />Isaiah 53:5<br /><br />What Hebrews was saying was not that God punishes us, but that he credits to us all the punishment Christ bore on the cross. He does not scourge us, because Christ took all the punishment in himself. There is nothing left for us to take. If even a small part of our own sin was left, the the cross would have been for nothing. If God punishes us for our sins, then he is denying what Christ did for us on the cross. <br /><br />"I, even I, am he who blots out<br /> your transgressions, for my own sake,<br /> and remembers your sins no more."<br />Isaiah 43:25<br /><br />It cannot be both ways, either we are no longer under the law, because the punishment the law demands has already been fulfilled, or we have to pay for our own sins, in which case we are all lost. <br /><br />This is exactly why Paul tried to explain this in Romans 6: <br /><br />" What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace?"<br /><br />The whole point was that there was no longer any punishment for our sins. If God does not punish us, then what right do we have to punish our children?<br /><br />This does not negate the natural consequences of sin. God does not prevent us from experiencing the negative results of our choices, but he does not CAUSE them. If you cheat on your wife, you are not punished by getting cancer, but you may lose your marriage as a direct result of your sin. See the difference?<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00517233443789971713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6526334671364727372.post-56220195463486037292013-03-18T09:28:25.404-07:002013-03-18T09:28:25.404-07:00My only "push back" would be about your ...My only "push back" would be about your statement that "punishments cannot do this" (teach your child how to love). I'd rephrase it as "punishments ALONE cannot do this." God Himself, as the perfect parent, does still punish/discipline us at times (Hebrews 12:6). It's in the "how" of discipline that our children need to see the difference.<br /><br />I love your focus on getting to the root, the heart level. That is where true change happens, as Christ changes us.<br /><br />Carey Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07111134910320445286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6526334671364727372.post-55783322913080679352013-03-17T10:33:23.703-07:002013-03-17T10:33:23.703-07:00Phenomenal!
Thank you!Phenomenal!<br /><br />Thank you!Rachelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17467755573192143275noreply@blogger.com